This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
I feel like this should be at least the one place on this server where we don't have to fend off skeptics because if we don't have that space, then where do discussions flourish?
it's just the latest thinking in science more or less, and every time this happens, it's later supplanted by still deeper thinking about the topic, it's inevitable(edited)
5:43 PM
so science always is in pursuit of the reality in which we are immersed
what imposed visuals I posted earlier seemed to be implying is that emotional energy works by the timing and placement of some part of atomic or subatomic particles and the stimulation we feel is an illusion
So then you have the option to build your beliefs based off of that which we can presume through rigor to be mostly true. Or you can make up your own beliefs based on little more than what you feel to be right.
5:45 PM
Sometimes you don't have a choice and must default to the latter when there are gaps.
5:45 PM
But I'd say the former is more valuable as a modelling structure.
I've come to the conclusion that there's a time for science to guide philosophy and a time for philosophy to guide science, but insisting rigorously on one or the other inhibits progress
one is the hard fact and the other is the implication, but I think you can also go from emotional ideals to hard facts through deduction if the universe truly is a reflection of some higher order or set of ideals
On the point of philosophy though. My conclusion scientifically is that morals are essentially arbitrary in nature. Just another pragmatic construct we have inside our heads to make us work better together.
That being said, I kind of think it is important to indulge this mechanism. Even if it's just for pragmatic reasons.
5:53 PM
Ethics should be important. But just to us.
5:54 PM
It is important to believe in things you want to be true, as death would say.
Zen
On the point of philosophy though. My conclusion scientifically is that morals are essentially arbitrary in nature. Just another pragmatic construct we have inside our heads to make us work better together.
That being said, I kind of think it is important to indulge this mechanism. Even if it's just for pragmatic reasons.
in either case you're still using morals if your morals are to ignore philosophy. If using morals is arbitrary than choosing not to use morals is also arbitrary
5:55 PM
the idea with philosophy is that you can sense when something is missing about a certain idea, whereas with science you can only work on what you already have
5:56 PM
if there are parallel universes then there also has to be a set of higher ideals that intersects all possible universes so that each universe can be an expression of that
5:56 PM
just in different forms
Zen
On the point of philosophy though. My conclusion scientifically is that morals are essentially arbitrary in nature. Just another pragmatic construct we have inside our heads to make us work better together.
That being said, I kind of think it is important to indulge this mechanism. Even if it's just for pragmatic reasons.
what you literally just said was, literally, and I'll quote you
5:57 PM
My conclusion scientifically is that morals are ... (just) another pragmatic construct we have inside our heads to make us work better together.(edited)
the way I interpret emotions is that it is the expression of chaos itself, but that chaos originates from something deeper which we can't control, and that result is the same in all people
If you are so angry. Perhaps you should go and calm down, rather than attempting to lash out and essentially exile someone else on a public forum? I do not believe I am harassing you, and I have dropped the subject of the previous conversation. I do not intend to leave to gratify someone else however.
I'm pretty aware of what I'm doing, it's kind of funny, but I apologize. My imposed visions started to show me emotional voids in people like planets around them and I realized you can just focus in on when somebody's showing greed or fear until something breaks
drawing on your emotions in visual imposed form like that is probably the best occult power I've found and is much better than the other occult practices I've studied
6:09 PM
yeah pretty much. I found it was just me drawing on my own unconscious though and I experimented with it until I got to the conclusion I hold today
I can see it being useful. I imagine it must be based on something, even if it's just translating subtle ques into something more dramatic. Not perfect of course.
Zen
I can see it being useful. I imagine it must be based on something, even if it's just translating subtle ques into something more dramatic. Not perfect of course.
it's exactly that. Basically it's like art being a reflection of the artist, but you can also use it to compare ideas visually and see what happens
6:11 PM
even though it made my visualization skills top notch this didn't seem to have any effect on me or the world in the order of chaos magic no matter how I projected my will, emotions, and so on
6:11 PM
I tried doing the same feeling I use in my head toward my heart and body and it seems like it was pumping out emotions into my room, which I'm pretty sensitive to
6:12 PM
but I couldn't seem to manipulate it outside my body
6:13 PM
I'd say the best possible usage is as a telescope or map into different ideas or as an accidental suggestion as to how something could be solved
6:16 PM
I'm not sure what form the emotional energy takes outside my body but I've come to the conclusion that crystals aren't a better conductor of it than your favorite t-shirt with all its emotions on it. From there I came to the conclusion that its all in the timing and placement of particles because that would be typical of something that doesn't interact with anything else in any way. It's reactive rather than proactive, like a "ping" not a magic gas
Well it would stand to reason that "arcane" materials would only work so far as you believe in them. Whereas you describe a strong resonance with art, so if something is artistic I imagine that would be sufficient for you.
with that the only way to "charge" something is to focus your will on the intended emotion, then merely interact with it normally, and every part of it eventually synchronizes with your emotional will
6:20 PM
and that could be why things look like they've been placed "angrily" or so on for no obvious reason
6:21 PM
it's just a case of the higher fractal creating the form of the lower fractal accidentally
Interesting, almost sounds animistic that you essentially get emotional resonance in that way from objects. But the way you describe it sounds more like an imprint of someone else's emotional state.
I wondered about it a lot because it doesn't seem like it disperses or interacts with things, but I indeed get strong impressions about people just from wearing their clothing and so on
Hey yaya,
1. How would you define "enlightenment"?
2. Is the definition I gave above (the continuous absence of a psychological narrative of resistance/uncomfortableness) something that you would say applies to your experience?
Unfastened Belts
Hey yaya,
1. How would you define "enlightenment"?
2. Is the definition I gave above (the continuous absence of a psychological narrative of resistance/uncomfortableness) something that you would say applies to your experience?
I would somewhat agree. I'd more describe it as confronting resistance until you're completely free, emphasizing the fact that it is a struggle and not easy. Then, you feel one with all things because you are liberated from emotional need
Well yeah, this "completely free after the struggle" is the continuous absence I'm talking about
6:26 PM
I didn't say it was easy :p Roger says "you can't do surrender, you can only be surrendered by life"(edited)
6:28 PM
By the way Roger makes a distinction that emotions don't really figure into the question of peace of mind. Even after the psychological narrative has dropped away, there will be emotional pleasure/pain in the moment, such as joy, excitement, sadness, anger(edited)
I agree completely. For example, while I'm free of need for sexual desire I still would describe myself as wanting and enjoying it, its just that I'm in complete control
According to Roger (sorry I say this so much I know it sounds lame), the psychological narrative of resistance is really the result of believing that humans are in control of what we say, think, feel and do, rather than understanding it all to be an impersonal happening
exactly. The more I grew the more I saw that I was just surrendering to what already was. Then, my emotions were flowing in me and guiding me seemingly at random, but always based on something that is true
that's also why I say it originates with the unconscious of the universe- I have no control over what emotions come up, it's almost like my whole being has become the incarnation of higher power flowing in me
1
